Typescript 2024-04-03

10:10:26

10:10:26 From Jeff Miller ExpressJS, async/await and promises!

10:20:20

10:20:20 From Robert Best A child's parents gives a rough approximation of the central node's peers?

10:23:39

10:23:39 From Jeff Miller https://marcus.relocalizecreativity.net/view/markov-blankets/view/overlapping-blankets (following from Federation Search)

10:26:36

10:26:36 From Robert Best Markov curtains 😜

10:29:38

10:29:38 From Jeff Miller an animation of the Markov Monkey!

10:34:13

10:34:13 From Jeff Miller "a radical abstraction successfully unfolds beauty" http://thompson.fed.wiki/view/haiku-wiki/view/radical-abstraction

10:35:25 From Jeff Miller radical ~ just enough roots to grow

10:37:14 From Jeff Miller The recurrence equation of the Mandelbrot set as a radical formula which unfolds a beautiful pattern.

10:40:01

10:40:01 From Robert Sterbal Yay, notes and links! ready for the KWIC index

10:40:19 From Jeff Miller Reacted to "Yay, notes and links..." with 👍 I'm not quite following at speed, apologies.

10:42:37 From Jeff Miller "the science of collaboration" as findings emergent from exploring patterns in making sense of things together "Can Wiki Haiku unfold a book?" - yes "Can Wiki Haiku unfold a book with collaborators?" - yes

10:43:29 From Marc Pierson https://marc.relocalizecreativity.net/view/a-walled-city

10:44:35 From Jeff Miller Thompson notes that both books resulted in the same number of pages, while following Wiki Haiku for each book's composition, with a story and a garden. <3

10:45:31 From Paul Rodwell Haiku demand a flensing away of what’s unnecessary. As R.H. Blyth puts it in his influential (and highly eccentric) Haiku in Four Volumes, they “take away as many words as possible between the thing and the reader.”

10:45:34 From Jeff Miller "Let's go deep on this today, together - it's what comes out of Thompson using a new wiki exploration tool." Hazel Weakly, yes.

10:46:10 From Paul Rodwell Replying to "Haiku demand a flens..." from a article by Chris Arthur

10:46:11 From Robert Best I'm interested in doing an algorithm for this for betweenness centrality for the hubs, rather than just in-degree https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betweenness_centrality

10:46:21 From Jeff Miller (her post on Mastodon looking for a way to advise on system resilience, to convey understanding to others) somewhere on the Blue Plane? Ward reflects on Thompson's striking originality of perspective.

10:47:54 From Jeff Miller The content of meaning-making processes energizes the community around the tools. a generative process "Thank you for making me ponder this."

10:49:32 From Jeff Miller a British series, a mystery series called "Death in Paradise", where the detective suddenly connects what makes sense out of the observations and records of the case. "aha!"

10:49:39 From Marc Pierson David Bohm explored the space Thompson is referring to, in my estimation.

10:50:01 From Robert Best Murder map :P https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_board

10:50:39 From Marc Pierson Finding or creating social context for creativity is worth the effort.

10:51:00 From Jeff Miller understanding one or more fruits of the process; understanding the roots and the growth, and how to cultivate the process. (creative perspective) Today's wiki exploration tool adding "recent connections" as a point of interest.

10:52:23 From Jeff Miller WikiNow, What Is On Wiki's Mind, Recent Changes - Ward's observations of the dynamics of C2 and successors. "We need to make today's exploration and view tool easy enough to make it attractive to wiki authors."

10:53:04 From Robert Best This also made me think of the present plugin and it's visualization... But way more powerful and customizable... Makes me want to see the author flags on the nodes.

10:54:05 From Jeff Miller PageRank takes continuous tuning. Wiki should be a little more tractable. (and less adversarial!)

10:55:05 From Marc Pierson Paul, I would love to hear you talk about the large fedwiki page that referred to the regular fedwiki. What can it do now, next, ever?

10:55:51 From Jeff Miller Thompson's approach to using wiki network exploration tools is patient and comparative.

10:55:52 From Paul Rodwell large fedwiki page?

10:55:58 From Jeff Miller site survey page maybe?

10:56:07 From Marc Pierson Consciousness Explained (not) relates to chaos and less than chaos. Paul, where the solosupercollaborater displays

10:56:54 From Jeff Miller Thompson's approach of zooming in and out allows him to find meaningful patterns; finding meaningful patterns suggests more approaches. oh gosh I miss green bar

10:57:56 From Jeff Miller (Ward reflects on what might produce a jolt of confidence comparable to tests going green, in the fuzzier domain of sense-making and wiki network exploration.) parameters of the exploration tool "count references made in the last 30 days", "count hubs active in the last year"

10:59:12 From Jeff Miller "Is the pace of work in this wiki X numbers of pages per day?" -> pre-set the temporal pace parameters. "We probably need to use d3 rather than GraphViz for animated progression of views." - Paul

11:00:48 From Jeff Miller https://forum.graphviz.org/t/the-history-of-graphviz/765 Stephen North and Graphviz Eleftherios Koutsofios and Stephen North. Drawing graphs with dot. Technical Report 910904-59113-08TM, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, New Jersey, September 1991.

11:02:06 From Jeff Miller https://www.researchgate.net/publication/2240707_Drawing_Graphs_With_Dot -- apparently free, if a little pesky with pop-ups and ads. (discussion of embedding applications in tabs which might communicate with the FedWiki line-up)

11:03:50 From Jeff Miller There are some nagging things that we've wanted for a while in FedWiki, which appear to have opportunities for solutions.

11:05:07 From Jeff Miller Marc points to "Models for Seeing Systems", reflects on the Solo Supercollaborator, and thinks about how the new model might allow a sub-set of the enriched SVG for clickable navigation. http://marc.tries.fed.wiki/view/models-for-seeing-systems

11:06:09 From Jeff Miller The pop-up solo supercollaborator page, "the pop-up?" "The pop-up window"

11:06:42 From Robert Best This is the library I've had bookmarked for what's next for graphs after graphviz if more customization/etc is needed https://js.cytoscape.org/

11:07:04 From Jeff Miller "Solo Lineup Browser" plug-in page. ( The plug-in is installed within http://marc.tries.fed.wiki )

11:09:11 From Jeff Miller Lineup - looks for Assets sources?

11:10:28 From Jeff Miller https://github.com/WardCunningham/wiki-plugin-solo/tree/main - as a client plug-in, it can open a pop-up window over the top of a wiki lineup. The previous Solo Supercollaborator opens as a separate tab or browser page, making use of the previously developed Croquet supercollaborator.

11:12:21 From Jeff Miller Paul had been working to convert previously separate-window utilities into client plug-ins. The GraphViz plug-in that opens up a larger SVG view is an example of a pop-up confined to the lineup tab.

11:14:52

11:14:52 From Jeff Miller A plug-in is installed as part of the wiki server, and is made available as part of the wiki browser client, to render content, for example. "paragraph plugin", "assets plugin", etc. - add behavior to items in the story of a page.

11:17:14 From Jeff Miller The original Croquet code launches from a file in the Assets source, for example, not from a plug-in. Ward gives an example of a shared wiki protocol with JSON items; however, different wiki installations may choose different plug-ins.

11:18:50 From Jeff Miller (Even if they share page content by copying stories and items back and forth, the pages may render differently because of different plug-ins operating on that content) (Ward adding background on how to think about plug-ins as an optional, configurable part of the design).

11:20:29 From Jeff Miller "View in Solo" is part of the Solo Plugin code, in solo.js, for example; see window.plugins.solo (this code) .dopopup(event) -- and that is implemented in this same file. https://github.com/WardCunningham/wiki-plugin-solo/blob/main/client/solo.js (following along with the source)

11:21:40 From Jeff Miller the pop-up page and stylesheet source code live here: https://github.com/WardCunningham/wiki-plugin-solo/tree/main/client/dialog And "index.html" is a stripped-down derivative of the previous SuperCollaborator page.

11:22:50 From Jeff Miller It contains code for navigating, panning and zooming a diagram view.

11:26:43

11:26:43 From Jeff Miller More examples of pop-up detail views: * double-click on an image to pop up a larger view (in a separate window, for images) Trinity Hall Master's Garden, Cambridge University (the sample pop-up image)

11:28:19 From Jeff Miller "About Pop-Up Plugin" ?

11:28:36 From Robert Best Can the image plugin accept SVG's? or then all the node clickbility would then be lost

11:28:52 From Jeff Miller It's possible to add that explanation -- see "About Image Plugin", "double-click the image to enlarge it", that's present already. Ward notes that there might be a GitHub link for some scripts, though not all plug-ins have such a source pointer.

11:32:09

11:32:09 From Jeff Miller "Could we pop-up the map plug-in items for more detail?" (examining Fedwiki plugins with detail views available)

11:33:19 From Jeff Miller Marc reflects on whether content might have structure where you can see it in a lineup, see it in a detail view, see it in a pop-up? Are there enough commonalities in content to make it more universally available?

11:33:44 From Robert Sterbal Reacted to "It's possible to add..." with 👍

11:34:48 From Jeff Miller Note that the Map plugin communicates with information within the page and/or the Lineup. Does the Map detail view as a pop-up suggest adding additional controls and affordances?

11:35:43 From Robert Best Maybe something like a Google docs style collaborative document as a plugin... So everyone can pop that item out into a focused shared window... But once it's done it lands back in everyone's wiki.... Or is that just a Google docs, or hedgedoc etc, as ashared html item?

11:36:04 From Jeff Miller "Where can I put Lat/Long in a page where the map will see it? Right now the Map plugin looks at image coordinates in the page or the lineup. How about other ways to mark a location?" (Marc inquires about markers which the Map plugin can read)

11:37:25 From Jeff Miller * Image item * Map item * bicycle sharing station map "Nobody's coded marker support for other items." All Caps as a directive within item content, like PAGE and LINEUP ? Can we do that in other places, for MARKER ?

11:38:35 From Jeff Miller We have a convention in wiki where a keyword is all caps and the first word on the line of the item. Paragraph or Markdown perhaps? (as a place to indication a marker) (as a place to indicate a marker as part of the text of the item)

11:39:51 From Jeff Miller "microformats" as an earlier notion of adding metadata of various conventions Or "semantic web" for another name/term/effort. Markdown supports HTML elements! (so maybe?)

11:40:58 From Robert Sterbal https://billthefarmer.github.io/blog/markdown-openstreetmap-maps/

11:41:20 From Jeff Miller https://microformats.org/wiki/geo (div class, span class)

11:43:22 From Jeff Miller Oh wow, I could use Leaflet to make a weather report station picker (since I have a big list of lat/long/station info).

11:43:24 From jan d will drop out again, see you in the next meeting!

11:46:03

11:46:03 From Paul Rodwell maybe a plugin that could do something with microformats? but they don’t seem to age well..

11:46:15 From Jeff Miller <a href="geo:37.786971,-122.399677;u=35">Wikimedia Headquarters</a> that might work for a source?

11:49:10

11:49:10 From Jeff Miller Ward notes that the bicycle share map, considering the page "Biking in NYC" and the related bike share plugin, both consume and produce markers within the lineup.

11:51:18 From Jeff Miller Ward suggests an approach like this for adding positions: * create a CSV spreadsheet with lat,long,label, consider a native or default zoom level; * create an HTML script which reads from the CSV and writes to a map.

11:51:24 From Robert Sterbal https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bethel+Park,+PA+15102/@40.3225628,-80.0360095,13z

11:52:02 From Jeff Miller Ward describes a case where "I want to show my house, and I want to show my bike trip in Portland." Wiki can use BOUNDARY markers to create an implicit zoom level for the map plugin.

11:53:22 From Robert Sterbal https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=40.46074289623747%2C-80.13935709077613&spn=2.996202%2C5.031738&source=embed&mid=1_eViUQynqElcRNywX77IxrL-4jA&z=11

11:53:40 From Jeff Miller BOUNDARY markers at the beginning, define the limits of the inside of the map, and markers are drawn only within the boundary;

11:57:22

11:57:22 From Jeff Miller https://github.com/jmeowmeow/PixieReport/blob/main/pixifier/icao.js

12:00:58

12:00:58 From Jeff Miller Use the Frame plugin as a way of talking to the lineup, as the source or sink for lineup data.

12:01:41 From Robert Sterbal Please let me know if make any progress! (I think you are meeting at my dinner time)