Typescript 2025-04-27

09:29:56

09:29:56 From Brian Multi or bi-modal distributions and averages are not a good mix...and most people don't show that the parent distribution is Gaussian before applying the average... Good morning Jeff.

09:30:19 From jan d There are (if I recall correctly) standards for metanalysis in medial studies and there are very interesting methods to analyze biases.

09:30:48 From Jeff Miller Good morning Brian!

09:31:10 From jan d Metaanalysis: https://lakens.github.io/statistical_inferences/11-meta.html Reacted to "Good morning Jeff." with 👋

09:34:58

09:34:58 From jan d David Graeber on Bullying : https://thebaffler.com/salvos/bullys-pulpit

09:37:07 From Jeff Miller I recall martial arts training also helped with physical confidence and tuning into my environment. (and "knowing how to fall down" seems to persist)

09:38:12 From Brian Quick reflexes can be helpful too...

09:38:55 From jan d the film is sooo good

09:39:15 From Jeff Miller "you can leave the monastery when you can take the stone from my hand"

09:42:47

09:42:47 From Brian Marick Replying to "Some interesting con..." Have been meaning to buy that for years. Just prompted to have my used book store find me a copy. Thanks.

09:48:08

09:48:08 From jan d I think that was (indirectly) part of "unaccountability machine": Getting rid of management in favor of shareholders and turning people (particularly) CEOs into shareholders

09:48:13 From Brian Almost have the sell the shares the same day you get them... Unless you are speculating...

09:48:16 From Jack Park Replying to "Some interesting con..." iOne of the authors was on my thesis committev

09:49:10 From Jeff Miller I'll have to get a copy of The Unaccountability Machine, thanks.

09:54:13

09:54:13 From Brian I think there are multiple Powells locations and stores with different themes.

09:54:23 From jan d Mentioned prosecutor in CumEx in Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Brorhilker

09:54:25 From Jeff Miller bookstores -> books and gifts; books and coffee, etc.

09:55:05 From Eric Dobbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell%27s_Books In Colorado we had The Tattered Cover bookstore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattered_Cover

09:56:41 From Jeff Miller Enjoying some 50th-anniversary editions recently. (Ursula Le Guin; N. Scott Momaday)

09:56:56 From jan d @Marc Pierson large pockets!

09:57:14 From Brian I use WordNet as my command line dictionary.

09:57:43 From jan d Le Guin Will read "Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction" with my students this semester

09:58:53 From Brian Amazon changed bookstores...along with all the other changes that went along about that time...

09:59:26 From Marc Pierson Lawrence Durrell’s books in one hand and The Pocket Oxford Dictionary in the other. What a wonderful way to pass the time. https://www.amazon.com/stores/Lawrence-Durrell/author/B000AQ6KHG?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1745773095&sr=8-1&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&ccs_id=62d379ef-108b-4526-81c4-118a3a480da7

09:59:39 From Jeff Miller Surviving in the Internet age for used bookstores, in Palo Alto's California Avenue: the clerk was spending as much time filling online orders as tending to the store.

09:59:43 From Paul Rodwell we’ve got Foyles in the London - old shop had 30 miles of shelving.

10:00:58 From Jeff Miller mechanically extracted narrative?

10:01:31 From Pete Reacted to "Some interesting con..." with 👍

10:02:24 From Eric Dobbs Matrix thread where Ralf joined the conversation: https://matrix.to/#/!ORfrUEFeWFcHAMLFLr:matrix.org/$17453986330eqAtm:dreyeck.freedombox.rocks?via=matrix.org&via=matrix.allmende.io&via=tchncs.de

10:03:17 From Jeff Miller There does seem to be a broader Wiki + Zettelkasten community. "Tools for Thought" is the broader term in English. Glamorous Toolkit + Lepiter Notebook

10:05:02 From Jeff Miller less linear flow (Eric's observation) so narratives are more implicit in following paths

10:05:45 From Brian My understanding of Zettlekasten is that it's topic based and not narrative based. Very much like individualized custom Dewey decimal system.

10:05:57 From Jeff Miller Zettel notes as small, decomposable, cross-reference-able; but not systematically organized like the Thompson Morrison wiki form.

10:07:52 From Jeff Miller (I had some hands-on pairing with the Glamorous Toolkit due to an overlap at Recurse Center) GToolkit as "moldable tool set" for modernization and reverse engineering of installed base. in-group vocabulary of concepts?

10:09:03 From Jeff Miller (to Brian M's question of understanding)

10:09:45 From Eric Dobbs koan

10:09:48 From Jeff Miller oh right Naropa University? "hit me with a stick" is a Zen practice, sometimes. wiki mode: small pieces variously joined?

10:10:45 From Eric Dobbs I actually think koans are meant to be akin to being hit with a stick. Deliberately defiant of rational thought to kinda impose a different consciousness on the reader.

10:10:47 From Jack Park https://github.com/feenkcom/gtoolkit https://gtoolkit.com/

10:11:14 From Jeff Miller Thompson wiki mode: WIkiHaiku structure, garden and paths through the garden?

10:11:52 From Paul Rodwell Replying to ""hit me with a stick..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keisaku

10:12:23 From Jeff Miller Replying to ""hit me with a stick..." "wake me up!" "terms of art" being a risk in exploring systems of thought?

10:13:45 From Eric Dobbs Replying to "oh right Naropa Univ..." Yes. Naropa was founded by a Tibetan Buddhist monk (among others). So that lineage of Buddhism is part of what “keeps Boulder weird”—although the tech startup culture has made Boulder a lot more tech than weird.

10:13:51 From Jeff Miller (to Brian M's question) - especially making up new terms of art during exploration

10:14:20 From Brian http://life.ward.asia.wiki.org/view/personas

10:14:51 From jan d how was the federation search opened, actually?

10:15:12 From Jeff Miller was that the bottom bar that I never look at?

10:15:31 From Robert Best Show page preview on hover over flag 😜

10:15:33 From jan d That is the normal search, but maybe one can poke it into a mode?

10:16:27 From Brian http://147.182.253.245/omega?P=personas&DEFAULTOP=and&DB=default&FMT=query&xDB=default&xFILTERS=.~~ is my search site...it's very experimental, so your results may vary and I may take it down when I'm done experimenting

10:16:35 From jan d Oh, the sketches are nice. Remind me of tcl/tk logo

10:16:35 From Jeff Miller http://ward.fed.wiki.org/view/personas (a clone?) Jeff Patton! My first XP PM in San Francisco.

10:17:54 From Jeff Miller Made his career out of what was missing from XP, in his perspective; product focus. http://ward.fed.wiki.org/view/personas/view/how-we-write-personas

10:18:18 From Brian If you add "site":"http://147.182.253.245:3030" to the search plugin item (not sure how to do that besided manually editting the page), then the search plugin will work with it too.

10:19:04 From Jack Park have to run!

10:19:15 From jan d me too!

10:19:23 From Jeff Miller "Jeff Persona": easily loses context, wants breadcrumbs and navigation, likes maps and graphs. (me) <3 TV Tropes as a densely contextually linked set of articles.

10:21:07 From Jeff Miller (to Brian Marick's wiki persona examples: "a person who likes following links to Wikipedia or TV Tropes"; "a person who is a podcast listener following up from notes for more details")

10:21:34 From Paul Rodwell The updated search plugin will be in wiki@0.38, which will be released soon. But if you use plugmatic, or manage your own server, you could update the search plugin to wiki-plugin-search@next

10:22:24 From Jeff Miller I appreciate the same thing that Brian Marick notes, when giving a term, link a definition in context.

10:22:39 From Pete Busybody, Hunter, Dancer The busybody scouts for loose threads of novelty, the hunter pursues specific answers in a projectile path, and the dancer leaps in creative breaks with tradition across typically siloed areas of knowledge.

10:23:08 From Jeff Miller Ward relates a set of Wikipedia personas as named by Pete above, Busybody, Hunter, Dancer.

10:23:40 From Paul Rodwell https://theconversation.com/going-down-a-wikipedia-rabbit-hole-science-says-youre-one-of-these-three-types-242018

10:24:25 From Jeff Miller thank you, Paul, a perfect link-in-context for the Wikipedia reader personas!

10:24:38 From Brian Marick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conservative_Mind

10:26:22 From Jeff Miller aha, a Wikipedia article designed to be skimmed as a topic with organization

10:27:25 From Jeff Miller Having a "contents" within a page is one of the nice choices they've made in Wikipedia for longer topics; very much an "encyclopedia" form; along with the linked series panels.

10:27:29 From Pete LIke illuminated manuscripts

10:28:23 From Jeff Miller FedWIki as having a feeling of side notes (vs. endotes) keeping the cross-links in context of a narrative?

10:28:37 From Pete best UX I've seen for that was one that tracked head/eye movements in AR/VR and you would have pages pop out to the side as you moved to the right instead of going down in the main flow

10:28:50 From Jeff Miller The lineup can have a sidenotes-of-sidenotes form. yes! "pages linking to this page"

10:29:13 From Brian Only when wiki is checked?

10:29:23 From Jeff Miller when wiki is checked, yes huh, I think of [x] wiki as not writing affordances but adding navigational context

10:30:01 From Brian The journal isn't visible, but the "links here"

10:30:19 From Eric Dobbs https://techshouldknow.com/#/items/ironies-of-automation

10:30:22 From Jeff Miller ah that's surprising to me!

10:30:34 From Eric Dobbs Great example of side notes.

10:30:34 From Jeff Miller (Ward reflects on [x] wiki as "activate editing mode")

10:30:35 From Brian Marick https://metaphor.wiki.oddly-influenced.dev/view/welcome-visitors/view/metaphorical-reasoning

10:31:12 From Brian Cmd+V should paste pictures here.

10:31:28 From Jeff Miller (click for Brian M's example: backlinks as a closed fold)

10:32:42 From Pete The backlinks are useful to get back 'in context' from a rando page

10:33:49 From Jeff Miller like Phlip ? :) (thinking of famous handles in Wiki)

10:36:02 From Jeff Miller "the through line" in dramatic narrative as something that Brian M. looks for -- how to make sense of the events in the context of the previous narrative Ward points to "Act 1, learn the characters; Act 2, find other consequences and complications, Act 3, changes and consequences over time" in dramatic narrative

10:36:55 From Brian Paul, I've noticed that a few servers in the FedWiki don't respond to "If-Modified-Since" header. That is a feature that would lesson traffic for fed wiki scrapers. Specifically, I'm presuming that most sitemaps aren't changing. Anyway, it's a work on progress on my end and I'll eventually have more details if it's a real thing. i.e. the servers respond with the file rather than saying "not changed" with a 304.

10:37:54 From Robert Best https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherence

10:38:08 From Jeff Miller Brian Marick's "metaphorical reasoning" page on https://metaphor.wiki.oddly-influenced.dev/view/metaphorical-reasoning

10:38:23 From Brian We use metaphor for the initial phases but then not for the details.

10:38:30 From Paul Rodwell Brian, those servers are very probably running very old version of the software.

10:38:45 From Jeff Miller a pasted page screenshot with "8 pages link here" and the panel opened up.

10:38:52 From Brian Reacted to "Brian, those servers..." with 😀

10:39:30 From Jeff Miller mismatched desktop metaphors and widgets? (from Eric Dobbs, observations about the incoherent widget metaphors on the computer desktop)

10:40:08 From Pete Kinda like the "save" icon being a picture of a 3.5" floppy disk that doesn't even exist any more

10:40:47 From Brian Touchscreens vs mouse is opposite... I always have to change my tablet configuration to be the mouse behaviour.

10:41:37 From Jeff Miller scrolling up and down: does the scroll motion move the virtual viewpoint window, or does it move the text under a fixed viewpoint?

10:42:10 From Pete I've got a touchscreen tablet, so I scroll around 'initutively' by dragging page up and down like a piece of paper. Not moving a viewport so the scrollbar moves down when I drag my finger up to move the page but I can drag the scrollbar thumb up and down to get the reverse behavior

10:43:19 From Jeff Miller argument: "is this a sound argument?" - (Brian M.) * an argument CONTAINS content; you can have TOO MUCH content; * an argument is a BUILDING, a building is SHAKY and won't resist a slight push, it has a BAD FOUNDATION; * an argument is a JOURNEY, you are LOST, or you are WELL DIRECTED and EASY TO FOLLOW (Lakoff and Johnson) "Just So Stories" all the way down? Freud's "Totem and Taboo" totally are Just So Stories

10:44:56 From Jeff Miller "a common metaphor, growing up with the terminology" - a chain of consistent sets of metaphors going back to being embodied intelligences (Ward's reflection) - but it doesn't tell you what that class name should be in software

10:45:01 From Paul Rodwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_So_Stories

10:45:41 From Jeff Miller The evolution of a class name in software doesn't work as well via metaphors or converge in the same way for all people. "a note for your future self as what you were thinking"

10:46:35 From Brian What is the criteria for "good" metaphore?

10:47:59 From Jeff Miller oh hang on, Arlo Belshee has a whole systematization of how to evolve names... but there's linkrot in the search results

10:48:04 From Brian In conversations, as we mentioned last week, I have my model and my model of what your model is. The conversation tries to make my model of you and your model of me get aligned as quickly as we can. Metaphors are often a common way to make initial progress but are rarely sufficient for a "formal" situation, which computer programs kind of are.

10:48:45 From Eric Dobbs Briefly responding to Marick’s observation that Integer is one the good metaphors in programming. Overflow itself is a strange metaphor for the abstraction of the limits of number of values represented by a fixed collection of bits.

10:49:35 From Jeff Miller finding the edges is a way that some programmers think is important to consider; eliminating the edges is another way (integer overflow)

10:50:02 From Brian As a system's programmer, many problems are around the presumptions of what an integer is, both in the language and in the machine. For example, is a boolean an integer?

10:50:35 From Jeff Miller https://www.digdeeproots.com/articles/naming-process/ Arlo Belshee's seven-step process of naming, recovered from linkrot. "is an integer a boolean?" in C? yes. "is a boolean an integer?" (depends?)

10:51:51 From Jeff Miller (listening to Ward reflecting on engaging with co-workers based on shared vocabulary and shared experiences)

10:51:56 From Brian In my experiences, when 3 == true, problems arise... like is 3 | false the same as 3 || false, etc.

10:52:34 From Jeff Miller DBs - their own domain: setting up the tables and indexes - premature optimization? or established good practice patterns that have general utility?

10:53:52 From Jeff Miller Domain Driven Design conference (Eric Dobbs) - in the early 2000s, collectively getting stuck in Object-Relational Mapping; this was difficult to escape from when that was useful - an impedance mismatch between objects and relational DBs. "both of these are the right abstractions to write code in" -- a challenge in practice. Ruby on Rails: had a systematic set of DB migrations to allow the schema to evolve systematically alongside the object system.

10:56:39

10:56:39 From Jeff Miller Ward reflects on a system rewrite for an insurance company, with the old system, the old system's developers, and the accountant users; what are we doing with the new system? "We're building an interactive front end for the mainframe which will continue in a daily cycle; reconciling things in the morning is important; how can we be most effective?"

10:56:43 From Marc Pierson When words begin to show up for me, there is a sensation of coherence (degree of) and often a moment of waiting for coherence to show up (something behind the scenes of language is “hunting”). If enough coherence arrives I continue the train of thought (language) and then another similar assessment happens (also a sensation) of whether my ability of express the “thing” coherently has a possibility of being “understood” by another. IF not keep quiet. If possible explore through conversation and action.

10:57:36 From Jeff Miller Telling stories about the essential interaction between the previous system's structure, its developers, and the accounting users; "I think this would work" - by using CRC cards to have a vocabulary of interactions to talk together. (Ward's story about bridging a gap in terminology and software development viewpoints)

10:59:14 From Marc Pierson Knowing about is different than knowing how (embodied).

10:59:48 From Jeff Miller Ward describes how pairing with the main developer through the essential selection of important classes helped realize the design as a small working example which could be talked through to the larger team.

10:59:56 From Marc Pierson Aikido seperates this with sharp clarity.

11:00:08 From Brian Programs that get articulated in statemachines get to be the clearest to me. Sometimes, object systems make that quite difficulat to express that way.

11:01:06 From Pete Progressive disclosure of the path towards a solution

11:01:28 From Jeff Miller Ward's story: "have you ever tried serializing a Money object to the DB?" / "I left that as a problem which you had the expertise to solve; knowing in advance that it was difficult would have discouraged you."

11:01:35 From Pete can't Handle The Truth all at once ("A few good men" reference)

11:01:55 From Brian Group solutions come when the group has trust/confidence in something, often that is an experienced person.

11:02:00 From Jeff Miller right, what are the heuristics for "no, stop" vs. "let's try this" Brian: yes, that confidence building is a Whole Thing which I've received, but don't know how to give, esp. in the remote and distributed setting.

11:03:49 From Brian Jeff, I suspect in micro transactions.

11:03:53 From Jeff Miller (see previous notes from Marc Pierson: what interactions occur outside of language? "Is this thing that's showing up in words a crazy dream, or does it make sense?") Replying to "Jeff, I suspect in m..." Yes, I wish I had better moves for micro-transactions; I try to be visible, to be reflective, to be appreciative to other team members. It feels like talking into a void, often.

11:05:00 From Brian Pair programming can lead to shared ownership which is usually a preferred space to be in

11:05:13 From Jeff Miller Reacted to "Pair programming can..." with 🙂

11:07:02 From Brian It's on my desk to read, but I haven't yet. But I'm hoping for insights for microtransactions myself. https://www.amazon.com/SPEED-TRUST-Thing-Changes-Everything/dp/1416549005 Don't forget to update the To: field. :)

11:07:20 From Marc Pierson Brian, when I listen to your podcasts and read your writing, I get the feeling that you are very sensitive to subtle incoherences and facilitated by dealing with them in the open.

11:07:29 From Jeff Miller thanks!

11:07:43 From Marc Pierson fascinated not facilitated

11:07:47 From Jeff Miller oh interesting, from Stephen Covey's school of thought yes, that probably does hit right in the thing I'm struggling with

11:08:24 From Brian Yep, I've really enjoyed 7 habits and the 8th habit, so have high expectations.

11:08:41 From Brian Marick Replying to "Brian, when I listen..." maybe? not sure.

11:09:30 From Marc Pierson I will be interested in listening to you talk about why and how you write for whom.

11:10:28 From Jeff Miller Eric Dobbs reflects: a Zen koan as a set of words intended to drive the listener away from something explainable with words, and point elsewhere. Ward reflects on building an experience of trust and understanding together as a set of demonstrable, explainable classes for sharing to others.

11:12:22 From Jeff Miller "concepts accrete through experiences"- Andy Clark, from Brian Marick's reflection; the concept gives you a word to hang the experiences on, as you learn. a crystallization and seed crystal metaphor?

11:13:35 From Brian http://marc.relocalizecreativity.net/view/a-walled-city

11:13:37 From Jeff Miller "the wording of a thing is not bad or good, but it precludes a thing which preceded the word" - Marc

11:13:50 From Marc Pierson https://marc.relocalizecreativity.net/view/welcome-visitors/view/a-walled-city

11:14:22 From Eric Dobbs Replying to "http://marc.relocali..." Nice listening, Brian. :-)

11:14:25 From Jeff Miller "ontology and epistemology" link from Marc

11:16:20 From Jeff Miller "things in wiki that Do Things" / "crossing boundaries of vocabulary" / "compute based on pages around you" (lineup and links) -- what is a Mech to a non-programmer who uses wiki? (Ward to Eric)

11:17:40 From Brian What do you want to achieve with a composition of mechs?

11:17:43 From Jeff Miller Examples of how to make a Mech a thing perceptible to a non-programmer; to make a Mech a useful automation team player (by making its action and relations more obvious?)

11:19:23 From Brian Macro actions are composed of microactions, that when the macro action is matured, the micro action is forgotten. But to fully learn the macro action, a progression of the micro actions may need to be progressed through until sufficient capacity that it can be forgotten about.

11:20:01 From Jeff Miller "When people change their wiki writing structure to support the mech's process" shows that the tool has become useful." mech = algorithm wiki page structure = data structure

11:23:01

11:23:01 From Jeff Miller Eric reflects on Ward's mapping and annotations during bicycle explorations. "Show the human enough about what the mech is doing, to help the human develop a mental model for how the mech works."

11:24:15 From Jeff Miller (Eric's reflection on the multi-panel view of working with a mech for automation as a team player). "There will be a feedback loop in making those affordances visible."

11:25:31 From Jeff Miller tagging a paragraph with an all-caps prefix, "BRAINSTORM:" - probably an easy probe, an easy search tag for using mechs as a team player, for picking up implicit order in a set of wiki pages and paragraphs not immediately organized after writing.

11:26:14 From Brian I think being inspired by REPL is better than IDE. But maybe that is only a personal preference.

11:26:23 From Eric Dobbs Reacted to "But maybe that is on..." with ➕ Removed a ➕ reaction from "But maybe that is on..." I think Smalltalk is the thing that feels like both of those. Like Smalltalk is an Object Oriented and Graphical UI of a REPL

11:27:38 From Jeff Miller oops didn't snapshot the pic in time, and I'm not signed into Matrix

11:28:09 From Eric Dobbs Oh! That worked!

11:28:31 From Jeff Miller wiki as a blogger writing context vs. wiki as a structure containing data, more accessible than SQL tables totally worked! Zoom has done pretty well

11:29:46 From Eric Dobbs https://human-machine.team/

11:31:46 From Eric Dobbs https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3454232_Ten_Challenges_for_Making_Automation_a_Team_Player_in_Joint_Human-Agent_Activity

11:32:49 From Jeff Miller An anchor for where to place the image: "Live Wiki (pages, mech), Live Console (logs, repl), Test Code (setup, invoke, check), Real Code (entry, doing, logs), API Code (DOM, JS API, logs), Thing Logs (type, path, args)"

11:34:10 From Jeff Miller Marc reflects on FedWiki as a tool for operating effectively with a knowledge, information, and organization structure, sufficient to advancing community goals. "necessary, but not sufficient", or "relevant, but not complete" (technological partial solutions)

11:36:19 From Brian I'm getting synical enough that the articulation of a survey can bias the results atleast 50%...so the answer is already known when the survey is given.

11:36:33 From Eric Dobbs Reacted to "I'm getting synical ..." with ➕

11:36:57 From Brian For real data, set up a table with coffee and doughnuts and talk to people.

11:39:41

11:39:41 From Brian ISO9001/2 ...

11:39:53 From Marc Pierson Reacted to "ISO9001/2 ..." with 👍

11:40:21 From Jeff Miller Eric reflects on the notion of "requisite variety" and community-based organization. It's a vital phrase from Hal Ashby for understanding problems and solutions of systems that aren't adequate for making decisions. Marc reflects: "You want a decision-making mechanism with as many choices and options as the problems you're going to deal with." "a change management system" (dates for announcement emails) "a change management system" (how we make decisions around changes and how we communicate them)

11:43:53

11:43:53 From Jeff Miller Donella Meadows' advice: "we're trying to push the leverage points, but the people with power are already trying to hold those points or push them in the wrong direction." "too many concerns going into the same feedback and control loop' you need to go somewhere else to make a change"

11:45:45 From Jeff Miller Beers on systems and change: * If you don't have requisite variety in your control system, you build the system anyway, and you compress the feedback until it can be intepreted in terms of the control system.

11:47:27 From Jeff Miller Stafford Beer's simile of keeping a suspended tennis ball close to the starting point in the context of many forces acting on the ball and the suspension system.

11:49:14 From Jeff Miller "modeling the emergent behavior of the complex system isn't helpful" (because it's beyond the level of which the control system can be usefully operated, on time)

11:50:57 From Jeff Miller resilience engineering as taught: "anti-leadership, pro-individual contributor" - the people at the sharp end making moment to moment decisions.

11:52:23 From Jeff Miller "I, the leader: how do I account for what my job is, and what I have done?"

11:53:43 From Jeff Miller "how can we get another Web Gold Rush?" -> the orientation of business finance in information technology

11:56:52

11:56:52 From Jeff Miller "a reusable space plane" -- much more complex than "what would take us to the moon?"

11:56:59 From Brian To my understanding, all attempts at 'direct democracy' have failed...so we've got a long way to go to get to a decision making strategy equilibrium that is stable.

11:57:25 From Paul Rodwell relating the story from the 16 sunsets podcast

11:58:27 From Paul Rodwell https://sixteensunsets.com/

11:58:51 From Jeff Miller "separate the saucer section" not an option with the Space Shuttle, the way it was with Apollo and the escape tower.

11:59:00 From Brian Eric, from listening to your stories, I think the most basic thing to understand is "what is the actual risk that is being mitigated" and I doubt it has anything to do with IT. It'll be someone's ego, someone's position performance (e.g. stock performance) and that is the hightest level constraint that you're facing for change.

11:59:19 From Eric Dobbs Reacted to "Eric, from listening..." with 👍🏼

11:59:33 From Jeff Miller stock performance is a grand distraction to continuity of capability building

12:00:20 From Brian If you can trace the values through the boundary objects to where you intersect, then you can tell a story about how your part impacts the top level part.

12:00:21 From Jeff Miller (I recall the folks at Google with the stock ticker app on their desktops with a remembered cringe)

12:01:40 From Brian Specialized companies are inheritanly brittle because if that one thing has a dip, it can't recover. Older companies are usually diversified across market segments, possibly unrelated market segments.

12:01:42 From Jeff Miller I was in the physics lecture at the University of Washington, and went to the media floor at the library to see the replays.

12:03:03 From Jeff Miller Florida: lightning and hurricanes, just what you want for a launch site?

12:03:08 From Brian Asynchroneous hardware programming will bring a new awareness of considerations for programming.

12:03:47 From Jeff Miller (thinking of the modem negotiation protocol, multiplied different directions)

12:04:45 From Brian For rocket launches, the impressive thing to me is how fast the earth is rotating. The rocket goes "up" but appears very curved and goes out of site within a few minutes.