Typescript 2024-04-10

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10:10:34

10:10:34 From Jeff Miller database table design for wiki statistics?

10:10:58 From Paul Rodwell for the data from the scrape

10:12:16 From Jeff Miller aha, good! I was thinking of scrape to page in connection with the Site Survey / Probe to generate an index of pages that are transcripts / transcript index pages. v1.0, variable format data support

10:13:42 From Jeff Miller v1.1, variable format data operational sustainability "some sites use a few types of plugins; some sites use many types of plugins"

10:19:18

10:19:18 From Jeff Miller Ward describes an account of a database of custom variant data fields per business customer - a guide to the larger DB to allow interpreting what's going on for a given customer's data.

10:20:56 From Jeff Miller so he dropped the Mike :)

10:23:45

10:23:45 From Jeff Miller I was trying to run site surveys on jeff.dojo.fed.wiki (related to "can I build an index of the transcript pages?") and getting what looked like content security errors when trying to run the plugin item type probe.

10:24:55 From Jeff Miller that's what Ward and I did with the map marker exercise! embedded some weather station data for 3000m elevation stations. (related to Nike factory locations for Pushpin-on-map data)

10:26:24 From Jeff Miller Paul observes that the (Observable ?) force plug-in behavior includes an animation of the items settling into place. http://viki.wiki/view/about-pushpin-plugin

10:28:06 From Jeff Miller (URL via Ward's search for plugin usage, leading to Viki's site)

10:29:27 From Paul Rodwell https://github.com/fedwiki/wiki-plugin-pushpin, was rewritten in JS while updating to use the latest version of D3 last year

10:29:38 From Jeff Miller Reacted to "https://github.com/f..." with ❤️

10:29:49 From Marc Pierson https://observablehq.com/@observablehq/build-your-first-map-with-observable-plot?collection=@observablehq/tutorial

10:30:00 From Jeff Miller strangely named instances perhaps? (from Viki's sites, some of which don't resolve)

10:31:43 From Marc Pierson https://observablehq.com/@observablehq/plot-mapping

10:31:57 From Jeff Miller Ward reflects on the particular perspectives available on the Federation via use of search-by-item-ID -- who has re-used a given paragraph?

10:34:03 From Paul Rodwell https://databasin.org/ - https://databasin.org/datasets/

10:34:31 From Marc Pierson https://observablehq.com/@aaronkyle/usgs-nationalmap-hydro

10:34:34 From Jeff Miller "We're going to build the GIS that our conservation biology grant participants need, so we don't have to keep paying for GIS services as a big piece of the grant." ESRI geographic information system services "we'll give you a good nonprofit deal"

10:37:03 From Jeff Miller (discussion: geographical data systems are more complicated than your usual operating system or your usual database -- and often the complexity drives a proprietary model for paying for the development and maintenance) Marc asks: how might you import an Observable view and render it in Federated Wiki?

10:38:10 From Jeff Miller "You can embed an Observable export view as an asset, which would then be launched from a FedWiki client+server." You can pass the asset URL if you like.

10:39:28 From Jeff Miller But if you want to exchange data between an Observable view and a FedWiki lineup, you might open the view in the Frame plugin; and you might be able to adapt that to be aware of the wiki context. The FedWiki page to page, or frame to page communication, is new since the original SoFi graph import mechanism. The Frame plugin is a likely prospect.

10:41:26 From Jeff Miller Nike's frame: how do we share our sustainability data outside the company while protecting our brand? (closer to the D3/Observable area) Post-Nike influences include Mike Caulfield and people with an interest in blogging - textual conversations.

10:42:52 From Jeff Miller A return to the Frame plug-in as a possible "can we open this iFrame in another window, another pop-up" ? But common browser security settings often turn off the ability to launch an external window.

10:44:19 From Jeff Miller Ward describes how to hand off data to another tab; how can we do that with a pop-up? (Ward and Paul's experiment - "this pretty much works')

10:45:50 From Jeff Miller Ward and Thompson then worked together on what we wanted to have, how it ought to work. (A recent bug fix on a diagram imported from one of Thompson's coauthors -- GraphViz node labels, and handling of double-quotes in label data) As a temporary fix, the diagrams are getting scrubbed of quotes in node labels.

10:47:09 From Jeff Miller "use/mention distinction", "quoting of strings", "type-safe conversions"

10:48:26 From Jeff Miller the edges of the use case which are not present in the original dataset (string encoding) "works on my [mental] machine"

10:51:37

10:51:37 From Paul Rodwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

10:57:01

10:57:01 From Paul Rodwell thinking of data, more specifically marker, sources it would be nice to extend the data plugin so that it could be a marker source.

10:57:51 From Jeff Miller I like that idea! this was a JSON dump of the 3000m + marker data that we eventually embedded in the marker script: http://jeff.dojo.fed.wiki/assets/pages/import-geodata/stations.html

11:03:10

11:03:10 From Jeff Miller http://jeff.dojo.fed.wiki/view/about-data-plugin "This plugin holds and summarizes a variety of datasets including spreadsheet rows and columns. A factory will make data items from .csv files dropped from the user's desktop."

11:05:10 From Jeff Miller I have trouble with attempts to reconnect to broken websockets. (in terms of continuously running fans) (a discussion of managing memory consumed by browser tabs)

11:06:35 From Robert Sterbal I use Shift + Esc to pull up Chrome's task manager in Windows

11:06:40 From Jeff Miller "save the mental context in a page, throw away the tab" the classic web log workflow? "here's a note on this page"

11:08:06 From Jeff Miller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_T._Odum "Odum left a large legacy in many fields associated with ecology, systems, and energetics." (Marc is reading an Odum book)

11:09:21 From Jeff Miller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_T._Odum#/media/File:PassiveAnalog.jpg "Energy storage system, passive electrical equivalent, capacitor - resistor circuit"

11:09:26 From Robert Sterbal there is also a cool extension... https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/tabcopy/micdllihgoppmejpecmkilggmaagfdmb

11:10:33 From Robert Sterbal I write my open tabs to a spreadsheet

11:10:39 From Jeff Miller (a discussion of apps to demonstrate and model systems for energy and information flow) "apps want to be platforms" ?

11:10:58 From Marc Pierson Modeling for All Scales: Odum

11:12:18 From Robert Sterbal they want me to shut up? :)

11:17:39

11:17:39 From Jeff Miller (a discussion about moderation history of the Federated Wiki channel in Matrix)

11:20:29

11:20:29 From Jeff Miller (a discussion about how new people might be introduced to the channel, or might be invited to the Zoom meeting)

11:21:28 From Robert Sterbal 537 Following 61.8K Followers

11:23:06 From Robert Sterbal https://twitter.com/WardCunningham/status/1577702389817442305

11:23:47 From Jeff Miller (a discussion of searching interactions with older announcements of the wiki Zoom chat, a suggestion from Robert Sterbal)

11:29:55

11:29:55 From Robert Sterbal https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr-19170

11:30:52 From Jeff Miller the portfolio approach to loss control until there's so much $ in the system that there's no longer much of an upside (a discussion of pension funds, investment funds, "qualified investors")

11:37:27

11:37:27 From Jeff Miller http://jeff.dojo.fed.wiki/view/welcome-visitors/view/import-geodata "icao.js" 3000m + weather stations

11:47:50

11:47:50 From Jeff Miller localhost:3000 in the demo weblinks is actually Jeff's pixel paperdoll weather report generator (to Marc's question about the weblink)

11:51:06

11:51:06 From Robert Sterbal https://www.census.gov/data/developers/data-sets/Geocoding-services.html I found thousands of cities

11:52:30 From Jeff Miller Marc's use case: * geocoded locations with descriptions * present them as map markers

11:52:58 From Robert Sterbal 29,000

11:53:07 From Jeff Miller The prototype of markerData() seems pretty close to "here's a list of coded locations, please send them as markers to a map in the lineup"

11:57:09

11:57:09 From Jeff Miller solar production vs. fracking production ? :)

11:57:51 From Robert Sterbal https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=40.46074289623747%2C-80.13935709077613&spn=2.996202%2C5.031738&source=embed&mid=1_eViUQynqElcRNywX77IxrL-4jA&z=11 Replying to "https://www.google.c..." EIS Solar in western PA

11:59:08 From Jeff Miller race condtions for consuming offered marker data race conditions for consuming offered marker data