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09:12:38
09:12:38 From Jeff Miller a form-filling template to cue you on an OPM model's attributes? that's a pretty good endorsement for whoever created that.
09:12:52 From jan d curious! Can the form/doc be linked?
09:13:34 From Marc Pierson Jan, it only works in a running instance of OPCloud.
09:13:39 From jan d Reacted to "Jan, it only works i..." with 👍🏻
09:17:05
09:17:05 From Jeff Miller (scanning the MDN docs about preflight OPTIONS requests for CORS)
09:23:09
09:23:09 From Jeff Miller the Federation Navigator
09:24:16 From Jeff Miller aha, "mode: 'cors'" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/fetch
09:26:33 From Jeff Miller vim is pretty good about giving suggestions about orphaned swap files
09:30:22
09:30:22 From Marc Pierson Jan, thanks for Think Complexity link. PDF download available.
09:31:01 From jan d Reacted to "Jan, thanks for Thin..." with 👍🏻
09:31:22 From Jeff Miller I love the grand design of the federation sites connection cable overview diagram.
09:34:17
09:34:17 From Paul Rodwell https://dancoecarto.com/4k-rivers
09:34:29 From Jeff Miller yay!
09:36:27 From Jeff Miller "the software IC" functional programming gives you software ICs, I guess?
09:37:28 From Jeff Miller Fibber McGee's dependency tree.
09:38:32 From Jeff Miller Sinatra's state model for HTTP is pre-CORS, so anything you add is either a bag on the side, or requires some recomposition. "clear requirements" ? == "you're porting a library with a bunch of tests"
09:39:35 From Jeff Miller :)
09:41:25 From Jeff Miller a pick-any-two question? * preserve abstractions and modules * keep code clean * support elaboration of the model
09:43:18 From Jeff Miller now I need to look up his typeface on nh.oddly-influenced.dev
09:44:18 From Ward Cunningham https://nh.oddly-influenced.dev/about/
09:44:37 From Paul Rodwell et-book font - from https://edwardtufte.github.io/et-book/
09:45:23 From Brian css tufte stuff https://github.com/edwardtufte/tufte-css
09:45:27 From Jeff Miller aha! I picked the tufte.css but didn't embed the Tufte font. (for my blog) Seattle is a mixture of islands of grid connected by routes. continuous system testing <- biology
09:46:57 From jan d Replying to "aha! I picked the tu..." not even sure about the font; it looks like it is better for print than for screen (A Garamond-cut?)
09:47:52 From Marc Pierson Brian, please share your mastodon feed.
09:48:20 From jan d though the way "how cell work" might be researched and modeled according to an assembly line in the first place…
09:48:26 From Jeff Miller listening to Brian on small-creature cognition discussion thinking about "slime mold path optimization"
09:50:45 From Jeff Miller the "Pengi" episode about how small an "AI" needs to be to play a game was one of the prompts for Brian's explorations. https://podcast.oddly-influenced.dev/episodes/e44-an-interview-with-david-chapman-about-the-offloaded-brain (Chapman and Agre; a discussion with Chapman) "baseball catching math" == "simple rules instead" words precede concepts?
09:52:07 From Jeff Miller Fred Brooks' "conceptual integrity" as expensive? (or a different Brooks?)
09:52:52 From Marc Pierson Brian, what is your last name?
09:53:12 From Jeff Miller from Jan: conceptual integrity helps newcomers to Open Source - but does good modularity mitigate lack of conceptual integrity?
09:53:29 From jan d thread: https://mstdn.social/@marick/111711794368298309
09:53:35 From Jeff Miller The Innovator's Dilemma / Worse is Better ? (also "startup picks up edge cases cheaply and approximately, then iterates toward business model success" ?)
09:55:00 From Jeff Miller Brian discusses cascade thresholds in systems of conversational actors making a decision. For people, peer pressure figures in.
09:56:18 From Jeff Miller "early adopters, late adopters" consensus building cascade; when does something go "viral" in crossing a threshold
09:56:38 From jan d sounds a bit like: https://ncase.me/polygons/
09:57:53 From Jeff Miller Ward describes about seeding suggestions for Design Patterns early in the period of study; within a year and a half, there was a large conference which spread the idea.
09:59:18 From Jeff Miller Marc describes computer programming as in a point of its history where it was subject to evolution and not settled - thus open to new concepts.
09:59:42 From Brian When a "society" or large community has shared problem, then they are all seeking to solve that problem better...so ideas that show promise can rapidly take hold.
10:00:46 From Jeff Miller (I met "A Pattern Language" at a summer sublet in Los Altos) but mostly appreciated it as an architectural philosophy storybook.
10:01:06 From Brian My exposure/introduction was Ward et al.
10:01:46 From Jeff Miller Mine was the Silicon Valley Patterns Group hosted by Russ Rufer and Tracy Bialik on Tuesday evenings for a number of years. Microsoft's C# is pretty heavy on Decorator for web requests.
10:03:59 From Jeff Miller Patterns are a useful target for refactoring, as much or more so than for a design language.
10:05:18 From Jeff Miller Patterns have a *feel* of conceptual integrity that's a faster way in for many cases. Fedwiki-inspired, or Wiki-inspired?
10:06:42 From Jeff Miller Brian notes some specific references to Smallest Federated Wiki as inspiration, e.g. MASVF Wiki -- how do the other communities relate to their members and one another?
10:08:08 From Jeff Miller (thinking about "conceptual integrity" as something which can re-emerge after moving data from one platform to another)
10:08:18 From Brian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_jM6aoTDK0
10:09:10 From Jeff Miller Web3 Is Going Just Great (Molly White) https://web3isgoinggreat.com/
10:10:32 From jan d JS without a proper standard library is pretty annoying.
10:11:00 From Jeff Miller Rob Pike - on Go - needs a good standard library, as a lesson learned after C (where stdlib / stdio were added after the fact).. -- from Ward Yesterday's pairing related to Node vs. Deno keyboard event handling (in "standard library")
10:11:42 From Brian The rob pike video Ward referred to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE5Tpp2BSGw
10:11:56 From Jeff Miller virtual environment managers (sigh) (cries in "node-canvas is not supported in this version of Node")
10:13:32 From Jeff Miller (a discussion of the package ecosystem as a source of trouble at scale) people are pretty excited by WhatsApp and "small team, many many users" and are hoping that Erlang/BEAM are the silver bullet.
10:14:43 From Jeff Miller (Rob Mee and Mechanical Orchard have gone that direction)
10:15:50 From Jeff Miller "genius programmer in a hurry" no way of communiicating integrity
10:15:58 From jan d Reacted to ""genius programmer i..." with 👍🏻
10:16:38 From Jeff Miller Microsoft as a survivor of software and platform evolution. Brian discusses losing conceptual integrity because it's embodied in people (who may leave) and not in the systems and processes around the software.
10:18:30 From Jeff Miller Ward mentions Air Force training -- qualifying average people to do the right job when needed -- also "how do we set up a job so that people can do it?"
10:20:21 From Brian Link where I was looking into "cascades" https://gregsatell.com/cascades/
10:22:10 From Brian The other important aspect of successful cascades is that it is a combination of the people and the institutions.
10:22:36 From Jeff Miller Alan Kay + Joe Armstrong podcasts
10:24:12 From jan d https://tiddlywiki.com/
10:25:26 From Jeff Miller (a discussion of Erlang, Elixir, and BEAM; Erlang's lightweight processes as Brian Marick's model for the biological cognition units being explored in New Hampshire Style) TiddlyWiki - patterns which Joe Armstrong highlighted as interesting
10:27:09 From Jeff Miller (An anecdote from Paul about TiddlyWiki's developer visiting British Telecom and demonstrating an early version)
_Note Paul's correction of details, following._
10:28:21 From Jeff Miller (as a serendipitous connection when Jeremy's company visited BT consulting on a different matter) March 1995 - Ward's email to the Patterns community about C2 Wiki / PPR.
10:30:04 From Ward Cunningham Just type it here.
10:30:55 From Paul Rodwell Replying to "(An anecdote from Pa..." I was visiting Jeremy’s team after BT had acquired Osmosoft.
10:33:40
10:33:40 From jan d The etherpad code is partly from wave, I think I guess first widespread use of operational transforms ?
10:35:01 From Jeff Miller CRDT territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation
10:36:27 From Jeff Miller "In 2009 OT was adopted as a core technique behind the collaboration features in Apache Wave and Google Docs. "
10:38:43 From Jeff Miller OTs as less obviously useful for Federated Wiki because of the consistency model of working on a constellation of pages versus a document.
10:40:44 From Jeff Miller Thompson Morrison's approach to asynchronous collaboration using FedWiki for book authoring with educators who have the information and perspective needed to create a book, and works with those potential authors. Thompson describes being able to see the point at which a potential author / co-author grasps how the system works. Thompson's notion: "Expose your tender self" <- tell the truth as you have experienced it. (not "vulnerable", Thompson prefers different terms)
10:42:00 From Jeff Miller Marc describes the experience of seeing others expose their tender self when telling their stories.
10:45:16
10:45:16 From Jeff Miller (a discussion about motivation via emotional narrative)
10:45:54 From Brian Brian Brushwood has great podcast on "con men" and how they work. https://worldsgreatestcon.fireside.fm/
10:48:01 From Jeff Miller (I am thinking of an anecdote about a con man who went back and made the same pitch to the same person a second time)
10:50:39
10:50:39 From Jeff Miller (a discussion of confidence-based fraud and tricks for street crime)
10:51:58 From Jeff Miller Brian describes "business enterprise crime" as a funds transfer scam which is expanding as a pattern.
10:53:24 From Brian business e-mail compromise https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/141/
10:54:59 From Jeff Miller grievance harvesting as a pattern in motivational cascades?
10:57:52
10:57:52 From Brian Gore
11:00:03 From jan d bullying: https://davidgraeber.org/articles/the-bullys-pulpit-on-the-elementary-structure-of-domination/ is excellent.
11:00:05 From Jeff Miller gang recruiting as a motivational cascade pattern?
11:00:11 From Brian Rituals are signals that reinforce the membership and power.
11:05:15
11:05:15 From jan d ˈtʌf.ti says Wikipedia
11:05:33 From Brian If he still does in person courses, I recommend going to it.
11:05:55 From Robert Best http://ipa-reader.xyz/
11:06:25 From jan d Reacted to "http://ipa-reader.xy..." with 👍🏻
11:06:54 From Jeff Miller bundle diagram as evocative of Federated Wiki interactions
11:07:36 From Brian Google translate says that wiki is Swahili and sounds very similar to how we say it.
11:13:17
11:13:17 From Brian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XnSvB34y8 How the Nintendo Zapper worked in Slow Motion You can watch the tv update
11:13:43 From jan d light gun?
11:13:59 From Brian Light receptor
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11:16:40 From Brian https://www.avegant.com/ VR glasses
11:17:50 From Brian Ender's Game...
11:19:43 From Jeff Miller (troubleshooting of YouTube UI for accidental autoplay: "Playback and Performance" -> ...) Dark UI Patterns Oculus box! we were just talking about goggles
11:20:28 From jan d I will drop out, see you WE I guess!
11:20:33 From Jeff Miller bye Jan!
11:23:38
11:23:38 From Paul Rodwell https://github.com/fedwiki/wiki/blob/159a44a7ea68f69302eaa1ea35d89f3273deae14/cli.coffee#L46-L59
11:24:56 From Jeff Miller http://plugins.dojo.fed.wiki/view/about-plugins/plugins.fed.wiki.org/maintaining-a-custom-wiki code rules - except see "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
11:26:15 From Jeff Miller (working with Robert Best's wiki configuration)
11:26:51 From Paul Rodwell and it looks if we maybe need to replace config-chain 🙁
11:28:38 From Jeff Miller right, "npm install $(npm pack ...)" in "Maintaining a Custom Wiki" was a helpful incantation for plugin development.
11:31:10
11:31:10 From Brian Need to do the rest of the weekend things. Have a great week!
11:33:13 From Jeff Miller Bye Brian!
11:42:22
11:42:22 From Jeff Miller npm install ; grunt ; npm install $(npm pack ...) (compile any coffeescript to js, picking up config and code changes; install the custom plugin version in the wiki)
11:45:16
11:45:16 From Jeff Miller cp/m flags yes parameter switch indicator Subdirectories were MS-DOS 2.0
11:46:56 From Jeff Miller "change the core bits of server to look up the package bits directly, to make life simpler -- but that's work!" from Paul
11:50:07
11:50:07 From Jeff Miller (discussion of Marc's work and Thompson's work as feature drivers to motivate improving capabilities and usability and robustness)
11:52:27 From Jeff Miller (discussion of FedWiki's community and content having built up over time, where the new things don't break old things)
11:54:04 From Jeff Miller oh! that was the picture you shared; the blue nodes were early on, and the green ones were the recent updates to Wiki. (I didn't recognize "follett" as a reference)
11:55:02 From Paul Rodwell End Tease
11:55:11 From Jeff Miller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Parker_Follett probably? (systems thinking for organizations, from the early 20th c)
11:56:38 From Jeff Miller "Because we inch the environment along, all of these developments have continued to be possible" "preservation of possibility" ?
11:57:46 From Jeff Miller Ward relates the evolution of Federated Wiki to Brian Marick's exploration of evolutionary approaches to spareness and simplicity of mechanism.
11:59:21 From Jeff Miller "how did we get here?" map of FedWiki features and mechanisms, via a nodes and edges diagram, where the edges are "the pointer shows enablement of the other thing" RubyGems -> Node/NPM -> Nix? "packaging is a thing we live in"
12:03:57
12:03:57 From Jeff Miller https://jvns.ca/blog/2023/02/28/some-notes-on-using-nix/ https://jvns.ca/categories/nix/
12:07:06
12:07:06 From Jeff Miller Ward's evolutionary node and link diagram picks up items from "Dojo Practices" pages notes from a couple of early years and from the most recent couple of years of work. scattering notes as a practice which supports continuously recomposing and finding information (in FedWiki)
12:12:32
12:12:32 From Robert Best i need to jump off... I wanted to flag earlier when we were on nix.. My friend Sam Rose who was on the call a few weeks back has got wiki working with the work he does with nix... and he hopes to hop on a Wednesday call soon to show us all what he's done.
12:12:47 From Jeff Miller fetching pages ahead as link previews? ( a thought for FedWiki inspired by wikipedia )
12:19:53
12:19:53 From Jeff Miller takeaways from today: overlaps of evolutionary software development, the New Hampshire Style (small computational units following local landmarks), working the NH style intentionally; the evolution of FedWiki to preserve essential possibilities for extension