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09:17:13 From Jeff Miller nonbreaking white space
09:20:11 From Jeff Miller http://marc.tries.fed.wiki/view/converted-svg
09:17:31 From Peter Dimitrios  
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09:20:37 From Paul Rodwell Marc shares his experience with https://www.kumu.io/ and trying have an svg from there in wiki.
09:21:07 From Marc Pierson http://marc.tries.fed.wiki/view/converted-svg
09:22:11 From Jeff Miller I needed a lot of handholding. :) Still do. yes! the community will help you get onboard your Neocities pals :)
09:25:07 From Jeff Miller turning things into money terms makes them intelligible to economists
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09:26:08 From Jeff Miller "utility" as a thing that describes what people seek when they have a choice maybe you don't want to force that choice
09:27:42 From Paul Rodwell Utilitarianism - Jeremy Bentham -> John Stuart Mill
09:28:33 From Jeff Miller Bentham was a Strange Character
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09:31:22 From Paul Rodwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism#Etymology
09:31:22 From Jeff Miller pulse width and cadence there's not a very good analog to a clocked circuit going on language model != thinking model
09:34:17
09:34:17 From Jeff Miller tried capturing a local copy of Model as Story DHH is kicking out some stuff on Typescript he seems to be exercising impatience thought other folks have suggested that he had a point, just that he expressed it very poorly.
09:35:42 From Jeff Miller a lot of preconception about David Heinemeier-Hansson right now "strong types for weak minds" mentioned by - Peter D. versus tight and powerful code so a single genius Lisp programmer can see it all on one page. (visual locality)
09:37:33 From Jeff Miller there's a lot of talking past each other on the types front that could be resolved by reference to specific examples teenage cliques in programming language world but people are betting their reputation and livelihood about loyalty to a clique "Winning Team" pattern from the Big Ball of Mud pattern language
09:38:43 From Jeff Miller distributed ledger with proof of work why anyway
09:39:02 From Paul Rodwell because
09:39:37 From Jeff Miller hahaha yes, because
09:43:33
09:43:33 From Jeff Miller (a discussion about information security, a new Internet separately routed; the Microsoft credentials hack details; separate laptops) I jumped mostly off Apple convenient for everything but programming. "the walled garden; the expense of keeping up to date"
09:44:41 From Jeff Miller (both Jeff and Peter) don't be evil by accident :)
09:46:04 From Paul Rodwell https://kumu.io/stw/world-problems
09:46:23 From Jeff Miller svg from wiki downloaded and uploading (the one from my download from Marc's page)
09:48:23 From Jeff Miller right content distribution reference
09:50:08 From Jeff Miller https://s3.amazonaws.com/cloud.kumu.io/accounts/5981/822689/66323986-2c09-48f3-9ac9-ce73453958c6.jpg
09:52:43
09:52:43 From Jeff Miller Kumu stores SVG background images in S3 "Who should use what website solution?"
09:53:54 From Jeff Miller (under what terms of service for content!)
09:55:25 From Jeff Miller Google Voice Terms and Conditions - written for humans. written for clarity
09:55:39 From Paul Rodwell Bandcamp site design
09:56:12 From Jeff Miller for musician's hosting: bandcamp, soundcloud, .... ( distrokid : aimed at getting you distributed !) (I applied and was declined, so that's how I know about Distrokid)
09:57:13 From Jeff Miller Grand Central, an acquisition which became Google Voice
09:59:47
09:59:47 From Marc Pierson An ideas for writing stories and new articles: https://marc.relocalizecreativity.net/view/lineup-as-timeline
10:00:27 From Jeff Miller "a lineup ordered according to time stamps" looks totally do-able with what we have now! virtual meeting spaces
10:01:33 From Jeff Miller Gather dot town; Spot Virtual; open source alternatives Does Croquet have reasonable virtual meeting spaces? (or: do virtual meeting spaces using Croquet exist?)
10:05:21
10:05:21 From Jeff Miller see through the eyes of your flying familiar
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10:15:10 From Jeff Miller XSLT?
10:28:37
10:28:37 From Jeff Miller Kumu (kumu.io) - maybe use a Frame plugin to bring in the interactive aspects including viewing a causal loop diagram from different points of view (versus the import and enrich SVG functionality as a snapshot which can dispatch to named pages)
10:29:55 From Jeff Miller Marc describes an intention to work out a style for using Kumu which will be mostly consistent for parsing. Ward and Kerry are looking at "how can we go from a Causal Loop Diagram to driver trees?" Driver trees can be manipulated in Neo4J
10:30:56 From Jeff Miller The Supercollaborator has some ability to operate in a Neo4J way Or (Eric says) learning from Eldorado, the massive graph where Ward's selector allows you to look at interesting subsets of a graph small, human-sized chunks over the Eldorado graph database;
10:31:57 From Jeff Miller while the Supercollaborator lets small graphs be overlaid andconnected and what can we do to manipulate the aggregated, connected larger graph? zooming and hovering on the aggregate graph
10:32:59 From Jeff Miller "now just show me the things connected to Whatcom County" as a way of focusing Marc describes the affordances of the Supercollaborator as powerful if you're looknig at it from a causal-loop or driver-tree diagram.
10:34:26 From Jeff Miller Vensim, right now, works pretty well; however, their pricing model is not friendly to neighborhood level use cases. (Kerry is talking with Vensim about alternatives) be right back
10:43:06
10:43:06 From Jeff Miller BASIC line numbers or Zettelkasten permanent index numbers labels for GOTO or GOSUB
10:44:12 From Jeff Miller right, some BASIC implementations didn't have line numbers multiple entry functions a thing in FORTRAN and BASIC Marc brings up Ward's "Episodes" pattern language as an important conceptual thing how do you manage relationships between episodes
10:45:55 From Jeff Miller what is a sequence of episodes? is it TIME?
10:46:01 From Paul Rodwell Breaking sailing story up into multiple pages - a sequence of episodes
10:46:03 From Jeff Miller is it a path?
10:46:14 From Robert Best I likely missed something... But isn't there timestamp-like data in the journal? Or you mean you want to add timestamps more like optional metadata on pages?
10:46:37 From Jeff Miller possibly closer to the second C. Alexander: "We need to think about sequences of patterns" -> ended up calling them "recipes" apply the patterns in a meaningful order
10:47:48 From Jeff Miller how can you turn a sequence into a lineup? "what's the next step in this sequence?"
10:48:07 From Paul Rodwell lineup as a storyboard - a sequence of episodes
10:49:16 From Jeff Miller how could we use FedWiki's lineup as a storyboard? what are new affordances we'd want?
10:51:22 From Jeff Miller movie storyboards can fill whole walls (discussion of VRML and other options for presenting multiple lineups together)
10:51:47 From Robert Best Yea I'm still here listening
10:51:56 From Jeff Miller the Croquet curiosity room as an example gather-town bulletin boards
10:53:29 From Jeff Miller book text on a poster https://www.amusingplanet.com/2010/11/book-posters-from-postertext.html (caution terrible popups) https://postertext.com/
10:54:41 From Jeff Miller s i g h (NFTs)
10:55:49 From Jeff Miller okay here's one "Treasure Island" as a poster https://cdn.thearthunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0815-800x1155.jpg "With every step, you're building an attractor to get them to the next step. You want to get people from the problem to the solution, via drawing them in with a story and art."
10:56:53 From Jeff Miller (Marc talking about EPISODES)
10:58:05 From Jeff Miller TeX pdf PostScript EPS, Encapsulated Postscript (it had some advantages)
10:59:07 From Jeff Miller (for composition purposes)
11:01:11 From Jeff Miller https://www.thearthunters.com/a-book-on-one-page-full-text-novel-posters/
11:03:18 From Jeff Miller "The Merchant of Venice" is almost readable well not quite, but it's closest https://cdn.thearthunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0615-800x563.jpg JPG plus width
11:05:03 From Paul Rodwell http://matthewalunbrown.com/autostitch/autostitch.html https://www.virtualyosemite.org/
11:09:17
11:09:17 From Jeff Miller (Kerry as a prolific writer in the fedwiki) (Eric's local fedwiki)
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11:12:02 From Jeff Miller Robert Best has a link to the localwiki on Electron implementation, he'll send it to Marc and Kerry. https://www.electronjs.org/ https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/tutorial/security recommendations from ElectronJS on security
11:14:21 From Jeff Miller (discussion of how a private farm might use private DNS within the company which doesn't resolve to anything outside) Robert Best on "Login to View" a security model for Thompson's student wiki farm
11:15:42 From Jeff Miller VPN or private DNS on top of "Login to VIwe"
11:17:23 From Jeff Miller (discussion of what companies might want for security of information, is this about the same as use of Word and Excel) "login to view"
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11:20:53 From Jeff Miller Marc says: "a platform for sharing patterns; right now that's FedWiki, with enough enhancements for making it usable for the neighborhood organizations"
11:22:13 From Jeff Miller Marc discusses Clayton Christensen's model of innovation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Christensen