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09:08:37
09:08:37 From Jeff Miller (working from dining room table)
09:10:11 From Jeff Miller GPS is interesting for needing General Relativity based corrections to position and time. stairs: serious land-on-your-helmet hazard
09:11:49 From Jeff Miller putting in an ap-pier-rance the miniature pickup truck version of a tugboat
09:12:57 From Jeff Miller A log pond version of a switching engine! design pattern: switching engine?
09:14:11 From Jeff Miller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switcher (railroad yard engine; or "Shunter") oh right like "A Day in the Life of" (2000 pics in a day) I enjoyed "A Day in the Life of China" etc.
09:15:13 From Jeff Miller "Look deep into the duck's eye, and you will see your answer."
09:16:19 From Jeff Miller to see infinity in a duck's eye eternity in a splash
09:18:56
09:18:56 From Jeff Miller (context: Ward has been demonstrating bicycle traces with speed determined by GPS; also photo-a-day challenge, themed by week; also Ward's son's picture, a close-up of a mallard duck's eye reflecting the photographer) there is a fish with bicycles in lower Ballard / Fremont
09:20:07 From Jeff Miller (not sure if it was a Ballard port theme or a second-wave feminist quip done as a bike rack)
09:24:45
09:24:45 From Jeff Miller I've considered getting a backyard bird cam. But all of them seem iffy as to data leaving your house.
09:25:28 From Robert Best I met a big brown bat in my basement last night :P
09:25:41 From Jeff Miller whoa! the biggest thing I've seen in my basement is the European House Spider which is big and occasionally noisy but is pretty benign as spiders go
09:27:38 From Jeff Miller smoothed tracks for interpolating missing samples? (Ward's bicycle tracker mechanisms)
09:30:26
09:30:26 From Jeff Miller I know that Google location finding used to harvest the names of local WiFi bubbles as a hint to location. "Oh, we can see TheDoghouseNumber2, we must likely be close to..."
09:31:48 From Jeff Miller Paul: updating the client that supports "cannot find that page..." and only show text if [better match?]
09:32:31 From Robert Best Edge cases
09:34:04 From Jeff Miller Yesterday i was introducing FedWiki to some members of the Exocolonist fan community. I found the Lineup Graph very helpful for summarizing "what's in this wiki". Someone asked "is that a mind map? the connections seem odd" and I said "oh, you could make it a mind map by choosing how to connect pages, and using backlinks instead of explicitly pointing." [and now I am starting to get a glimpse of Thompson Morrison's WikiHaiku notions]
09:36:03 From Jeff Miller "You can't get there from here, you have to go all the way there." HTTP sites and HTTPS sites
09:37:57 From Jeff Miller (context: Paul is demonstrating what happens when you're browsing a wiki site in HTTPS and some of the neighborhood / source of pages is HTTP) "If you're logged in, the client will redirect through a proxy"
09:39:23 From Jeff Miller "The work in probing around for a page is remembered, but a subtle point is that if you've logged in since the probing work was remembered, it might have changed whether a page was directly accessible." (paraphrase)
09:41:38 From Jeff Miller logged in == the server is able to make a proxy available when the wiki client is logged-in to the server for the site serving the leftmost page in the lineup Ryuichi Sakamoto!
09:43:06 From Jeff Miller (a sample of the Video plug-in which allows you to serve a clip of a Vimeo-hosted video by specifying start and duration)
09:44:34 From Jeff Miller The video plugin has been updated to make it easier to collect all the information; the old plugin was not as good at parsing the video parameters if listed in arbitrary ordre. e.g. the YouTube plugin
09:45:37 From Jeff Miller [Eric endorses the better ease-of-use now that the start and end are available across the multiple video hosting services FedWiki supports]
09:47:37 From Jeff Miller Paul notes that when pulling a page from a wiki that includes video items written with the new client, the old video plugin may not understand the minutes:seconds format.
09:48:51 From Robert Best I think I'm going to try hetzner next https://www.hetzner.com/
09:49:34 From Jeff Miller +1, I heard that some of the Mastodon servers have been appreciating Hetzner as a host. (I think Hachyderm dot io cited Hetzner)
09:52:22
09:52:22 From Jeff Miller Hetzner: site hosting
09:52:29 From Robert Best So maybe it's cheaper but digitalocean is more reliable?
09:52:35 From Jeff Miller brb crow
09:55:10
09:55:10 From Jeff Miller "if the Graphviz plugin saves a snapshot of both the Dot and the SVG, does that create bloated wiki page journals?"
09:56:45 From Jeff Miller (Should we separate the graphviz rendering and the algorithmic drawing?)
09:56:59 From Paul Rodwell think I was worried about not having unfreeze
09:57:30 From Jeff Miller [dynamic and static versions of a page, use a "Preview" function to render a fixed static version of a diagram]
09:57:51 From Robert Best "render" ?
09:58:04 From Jeff Miller right, there's a concept like "Print Preview" general to "Download Preview", "Print Preview", "Rendering Preview" interpreted versus compiled dynamic versus static
09:58:58 From Robert Best Broke out autocad for the first time in a while last night... Trying to make a floor plan. That's when the bat came to visit me :P
09:59:48 From Jeff Miller "What does a workflow look like which contains a ghost page? What does a script look like that generates a frozen version of a page, versus a dynamic render? [like the Lineup Diagram]"
09:59:50 From Robert Best Print preview made me think of AutoCAD
09:59:59 From Jeff Miller yes what are the expensive transitions; what are the expensive affordances (like source code control without diff-based backing store)
10:01:29 From Jeff Miller "instead of freezing the Dot, I'm interested in freezing the SVG" -> for export, maybe? all of this is in dialogue with rendering a static site from wiki yet having many links and behaviors live "more easily shared format" "more easily edited format"
10:02:38 From Jeff Miller two-way migration via metadata Marc's case where he would export a SVG and could not navigate the links that would be present in the exported SVG The click handler is in the plugin and not in the document.
10:04:14 From Jeff Miller "If you generate an SVG that has full path names to the pages [an enriched SVG with anchors], it would be more useful."
10:04:21 From Paul Rodwell The WASM version of Graphviz we are using is quite old now - 2.47.3 - the latest version via the WASM version is now 8.0.5 - there are quite a few changes, some breaking, in that jump.
10:05:33 From Jeff Miller "The dynamic part of the Graphviz plugin is much like the original version of FedWiki's survey" Ward raises the Visitor pattern as descriptive of the way that the Graphviz plugin can work with traversing the lineup.
10:06:34 From Jeff Miller (hope I got that right)
10:07:51 From Jeff Miller There is an algorithmic notation for navigating the context, and another navigation for how to add things to the diagram. (I was paid for a year to visitor visitor visitor)
10:11:21
10:11:21 From Jeff Miller Ward points out that because of the way the algorithmic language doesn't support arbitrary depth following. Hi Marc! We're talking FedWiki script and plugin architecture patterns
10:13:10 From Jeff Miller Marc is next to a little boat that looks like a logging pond tug. Marc's description sounds like the up side of the Open Spaces potential. "It couldn't have gone better"
10:14:23 From Jeff Miller a 90-minute exercise truncated to 45min pencil-and-paper exercises Viable Systems Model folks at Marc's conference made some good connections with people who have had a lifelong interest in sustainable systems
10:16:09 From Jeff Miller Showing communication channels within sites in the federation; there was common vocabulary and engaged, interested listeners for Marc's segment "six contextual questions, causal loop diagramming, ..."
10:17:12 From Jeff Miller "We came to understand things that we had not understood before, using the exercise method that Marc presented"
10:18:51 From Jeff Miller yes neighborhood-level governance
10:20:24 From Jeff Miller (Jeff mentions the Santa Fe Institute for complexity studies)
10:20:48 From Robert Best David Ing is hosting the systems thinking Ontario event tomorrow, details here https://wiki.st-on.org/2023-06-12 He's using a wiki farm I provide to do writing and prep for the meeting
10:21:20 From Jeff Miller complex learnable movements
10:22:28 From Robert Best https://st1969.daviding.wiki.openlearning.cc/view/welcome-visitors/view/recent-changes/view/systems-thinking-selected-readings-penguin-1969
10:27:03
10:27:03 From Jeff Miller "How close is this person to economic catastrophe?" (MIT / Cambridge city government)
10:28:12 From Jeff Miller "Random Family" - for want of night transportation or child care, it can be hard to escape the trap.
10:29:28 From Paul Rodwell https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43673/london-56d222777e969
10:29:31 From Jeff Miller William Blake, "mind-forg'd manacles"
10:33:36
10:33:36 From Jeff Miller (Jeff discusses introducing FedWiki to a fan commuity, where the Lineup Diagram was a powerful way of showing an overview)
10:34:50 From Jeff Miller How can we limit how things articulate so that we can compose more of them different limits an ecosystem of its of collaborating code This morning has been close to the heart of Federated Wiki as a community + platform
10:37:23
10:37:23 From Jeff Miller (Ward notes the span between wiki client and server architecture discussions, problem-solving, evolution of scripts, etc.) (and going into how Thompson and Marc have been hooking the platform up into how to use FedWiki for systems and community governance and navigable information spaces)
10:38:34 From Jeff Miller "a plugin that uses another plugin as its visualiser"
10:40:39 From Jeff Miller The ghost pages, scripts, and frames allow the ghost page to be the rendered result. (Eric's description of a frozen SVG output or a survey result page as one plugin gesturating to another)
10:48:58
10:48:58 From Jeff Miller (Ward demonstrates a track report from the Helium network reporting the locations of bicycle trip tracks, for Seattle May 28, and the track report showing the sequence of location samples and times on a map, with estimated MPH between samples and places stopped)
10:50:33 From Jeff Miller (Ward demonstrates a list of recent daily track reports, where each line has a date, a track duration, and summary statistics such as total distance and fastest speed within the track) add 👍
10:53:02 From Jeff Miller Glitches in track reports might represent things like "GPS doesn't work well in a tunnel" (there's a tunnel in the city of Seattle for the I-90 bridge approach)
10:55:29 From Jeff Miller like Newton, "new town"
10:55:36 From Robert Best The newest newcastle
10:55:50 From Jeff Miller Newcastle, the Norman castle replacing the previous Newcastle-by-Lake (near Seattle) versus Newcastle-upon-Tyne
10:58:33
10:58:33 From Jeff Miller "The Man Who Walked Through Time" a deep time walk through the Grand Canyon maybe shelve it next to Loren Eiseley's "The Immense Journey"
11:01:49
11:01:49 From Jeff Miller I'm considering a trip to Scotland for the World SF&F Convention, and I should check it out with Street View
11:03:28 From Jeff Miller The Element app as a notes-to-self capture for intake of a word and a link pointing to Mastodon links and others
11:04:06 From Robert Best I found some frozen ghosts in my wiki farm
11:04:15 From Jeff Miller boom town -> ghost town little towns that might be mostly a recreational stopping point (scattered cabins, a general store, a speed trap)
11:07:18
11:07:18 From Robert Best I want cameras to catch all the VIPs that merge in illegally at the last minute on the forks of a highway to skip around traffic :P
11:09:10 From Paul Rodwell over here, those that take the slip off round roundabout and back on.
11:09:36 From Jeff Miller sustainable systems oh I see, zooming up through the frontage (slip) road bicyclists with helmet cameras naming and shaming
11:10:49 From Jeff Miller (long wheelbase cargo bicycles, hard to make quick swerves) citizen reporting of bicycle lane blocking
11:11:51 From Jeff Miller (My friend Megan in Davis California is a sharp observer of bicycle lane abuse of various sorts)
11:12:05 From Robert Best I've gotten a couple tickets from those automated cameras for when I just barely ran a red light because I decided to try and make it through rather than slam on the brakes
11:12:30 From Jeff Miller nod, I think I've had one of those auto camera tickets
11:15:41
11:15:41 From Robert Best Automated irony
11:16:01 From Jeff Miller I like the proximity alerts and I sometimes wish I had a front camera for parking
11:17:25 From Jeff Miller the strobe for high beams will sometimes trigger a light change (maybe it's been fixed?)
11:18:44 From Jeff Miller optical downhaul pretty speedy